Comments on: Zed’s Rant: Rails is Hate?

by: Ruby, Rails, Mongrel.

Sat, 17 Jan 2009 01:27:19 +0000

[…] Ok … so with all the hoopla (good or bad) regarding Zed in the RoR community it seems like a few folks will be creating an alternative to Mongrel. This seems like mostly personal issue and not an issue with mongrel/mongrel_cluster itself. However, what I have been thinking someone (possibly myself) should fork mongrel and make mongrel connect via AJP rather than proxy. This should improve performance and bring mongrel one step closer to a looking like a servlet container like Tomcat, Jetty or Resin. To that end, Resin can run PHP code, so maybe the way to go would be to take an already existing container and make it RoR compatible. Down the road maybe Rails will include its own container build in, Rails being both the framework and container. With yml configs and an all-in-one type of installation setting up deployments should be a breeze. At any rate there is certainly some work to be done to bring Rails to the same level that Java webapps now have. Anyone got any ideas? […]

by: Joe Grossberg

Fri, 04 Jan 2008 22:30:52 +0000

Ah, interesting. I hadn’t thought about it from the “If I’m so wrong to be negative, dismissive, hard to work with, etc. then why are *you* behaving like this?” angle.

P.S. I did not get an email (I checked my Junk folder), but that is fine with me. Email sucks.

by: Lou

Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:58:36 +0000

I think it helps to put the comments in the context of the things that Zed has been very vocally and consistently passionate about: namely bad behavior on the Internet, or rather, the tendency to have very different Internet and personal personae. He’s not real keen on the disingenuous.

I think if you look at what he’s saying in the totality of his public statements, these statements are completely consistent with what I believe are his heartfelt beliefs, and have a lot less to do with Rails per se, than egregious Internet behavior he has very publicly and consistently criticized in his prior statements. (See Utu) for more.)

I have seen him speak publicly, but don’t know him personally. I strongly suspect a lot if his delivery is to further reinforce, through dark parody, what he thinks is wrong with a lot of the stuff we see in chat rooms, email and blogs.

He’s consistent, publicly in person as well as his Internet communications, in direct contrast to many of the communications he sees from many others. The “over-the-top” delivery is deliberately and ironically something you would normally only see from a lurker hiding behind a cloak of anonymity.

by: Joe Grossberg

Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:31:06 +0000

I work on a large Rails dev team (around 20 RoR coders) and reactions here ran the gamut.

by: Lou

Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:29:11 +0000

Thanks, Rich. Yes we had a great holiday!

Zed is a man on a mission, for sure.

by: Rich Manalang

Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:20:44 +0000

Hey Lou! Hope you had a good holiday. I totally agree with your analysis of Zed’s actions. Though it was entertaining to read his rant, I do wonder how the Rails community is going to react to it. As with any community that gets large, it begins to mimic the diversity of real life.